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CRM: built for the boss

So I’ve blogged a bit about CRM systems, and there’s one underlying complaint that I have across all of these CRM system; they were not built with a salesperson in mind!

If your job is to meet new people, get connected, sell your product, figure out whos important in the industry, get on the ground and get new users/clients of your software, then a traditional CRM (see diagram) system is not for you.
 

Who is it for? Its for management. Enterprise CRM systems were built to sell, management has the money, so CRM systems are designed to sell to them. Management wants to kick back in the morning and pop a “dashboard” that tells them how everything is going at the company. Never mind what kind of data has to be entered in the background for these dashboards to work, or how useful the software is for the people who actually put in that data.

There you have it. CRMs where not designed to help you track your prospects, and it certainly wasn’t designed to help you quickly bring up useful information about your contacts while you’re rushing into the Bay Area for a quick round of interviews with investors up and down the peninsula.  It’s not designed for real world use.

Charlie at This is going to be big, had a post called “If you don’t build it for geeks, don’t expect them to show up.”  I completely agree. In particular his comments on Salesforce are spot on. Its clear that this wasn’t built for salesman, and its clear this wasn’t built for the geek/salesman that would want to hack your product into something useful. Thats why their Appexchange community is so un-imaginative, and unlike twitter (or other open platforms supported by a community of passionate users), no one is hacking together improvements on the fly so they can continue to use their products in new and creative ways. 

My first serious experience with CRM systems was with SugarCRM. I was working for a startup with no budget, couldn’t afford Salesforce, so ended up really excited to find an Open Source project that was comparable. Over two years of use I came to realize that the “open source” designation for SugarCRM didn’t mean the same thing that it meant for projects like WordPress, Drupal, or even Firefox. The SugarCRM community (similar to the Salesforce community) wasn’t nearly as vibrant, the conversation throughout the community weren’t as passionate, and the amount of crazy hacked-up plugins being released was close to zero.

So, what can we do about it?  Well, more and more people are being forced into Salesforce, and now Google is now involved.  Maybe this will head in the right direction.

There are also more and more alternatives, including the one I’ve really be considering; Highrise from 37Signals.  In its short life Highrise seems to have done for me what these other CRMs couldn’t do in years.  Not to mention theirs a pretty vibrant community associated with their products.

Though Highrise doesn’t have reports, pipelines, and dashboards, their approach is the right approach.  From the bottom up, build a tool for the day to day users, and then work your way up to the reports.  With happy user’s, you’ll get better day, thus better dashboard reports.  It won’t take mandates from on high to force terrified workers to put every last detail into a clunky database.

 

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Great idea: CRM research bookmarklet

Some I’m throwing out some free ideas!

We have all these bookmarking tools, and we have all these clipping, notebooking, and research tools.  But what are they all used for?

I tend to use them a lot for research on people/companies in my industry, and often times this would be really useful to have directly in my CRM system.

I’d like to see a bookmarklet that lets you clip content, and then associate it directly with a contact or company in your CRM.  Store the notes/articles/clippings right with that particular entity, so that next time I look that person up I’ll know something about them, or have a conversation starter.

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Simplicity versus complexity

I just read “The Brash Boys at 37 Signals Will Tell Yo: Keep it Simple Stupid” in Wired Magazine, and it got me all fired up to write a response, because I thought it developed an incomplete picture.

37 signals leads the charge for one of Web 2.0′s core tenants, simplicity. Their rapid/rabid pursuit of a minimalist products has found a niche in the market, and I respect them for being uncompromising in their approach.

If a user decides that a simple robust feature set is not what they want, then they can go use something else. You cannot build everything for everyone, and sometimes this results in you losing users. You have to do this to protect your core user base, the people that are there for the simplicity, the ones that might not be using this type of software at all if it wasn’t for the simple approach. Obviously, if you start to lose a much more significant number of users, then you have to think about growing with your user base. Continue Reading →

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The shallow CRM market: My CRM List

CRM systems have been a big part of my job at both my current employer as well as with my previous employer. In the business development field, I keep coming back to the need for a good , simple, reliable CRM on which to base the rest of the IT infrastructure that we might want to use. In the past 2 and a half years of work I have found very little information about how to choose a CRM system or about how to use a CRM once you have made the choice.

Is there no market for this? Did I just happen to end up working for 2 consecutive small companies that essentially had the same CRM requirements?

In future posts I will try to pass on any information I have learned in my long struggle with CRM systems, and maybe others can chime in as well.

Here is a list of all of the CRM systems that I came across in my search, and had to time to look at:

Web-based

- SugarCRM

- SalesForce

- VTiger

- ZohoCRM

- Pipeline

- Netsuite

- Centric CRM

- Microsoft CRM

- Maximizer

Windows

- Act

- Goldmine

Mac Specific

- Daylite

- Now Contact

After hours of searching and trialing, I decided on SugarCRM. For the most part I was happy with the experience, but I’ll probably have to write another post on Sugar alone.

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Diggo Social bookmarking for VC Referral Relationship Management

A couple months ago I wrote about using Diggo to track and share information about real estate postings, and I also followed up that post here with a post about how a full web application/portal could be built to incorporate these features.

Rob over at Ventureblogalist continues to turn out high quality posts about the VC world, and this time he comes up with a very creative use of diggo.

Basically by creating a bookmark in diggo for each Venture Capital firm that he finds, and then using the diggo comments section to store information about their portfolio companies, he has created an online database of VC firms that he can refer deals to. The objective being to build goodwill with other VC firms and entrepreneurs by successfully making matches.

Glad to see some other people out there blogging about CRM and Social Bookmarking. In my opinion both markets are fairly immature. CRM has not seen many advances, other than a shift of the same old concepts to the web, in quite some time. Social Bookmarking on the other hand is the new kid on the block, but it seems to be struggling to find more serious applications than del.icio.us (which I use almost everday, albeit with limited success). This creative use of diggo as a mild CRM/Referral Relationship Manager just goes to show there are plenty of other applications for social bookmarking and that the CRM market is still under served.

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Gmail: apartment search CRM

After using Diigo for a split second to track apartments that I might be interested in, I realized that I need something a bit more sophisticated. At just about the same time, I started sending out lots of e-mails about these apartments, and I decided to just try copying all my useful information into e-mails and storing them in an nycAPT tag within gmail. It worked like a charm.

1) Copy the link of the apartment listing that is in question into the body of the e-mail, and populate the subject with any distinguishing information you have about the apartment. I also tried to get the brokers name and number somewhere in the e-mail. E-mail this information to yourself.

Initial entry screenshot

2) I typically setup some filters in my gmail account to automatically label all my emails with “nycAPT” in the subject with the same label, so that I could just click on that label to access all of the properties that I was currently researching.

3) Any follow up information you learn during subsequent calls or e-mails, you can just hit reply to your first message, add the notes to the body, and gmail threads the messages together for you.

Follow up Notes

4) Anytime you wanted to share this information with your roommates, or collaborate with them on obtaining information about properties from the broker, you could just add their e-mail to the list, and remember to hit “Reply All” on all subsequent emails and notes. Now they are fully “integrated” into your CRM.

Collaboration Features

5) The best part of this whole process, is its not portable, and you can access it from anywhere through gmail mobile. With the ability to add data and retrieve data from anywhere, you end up with a system flexible and rugged enough to make it through the NYC apartment search.

On the go!

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CRM Violates the 3 main tenants of GTD: Part 2

Part 1 here

 

2) Having a minimal impact on your workflow

Not only do these CRM systems not have a minimal impact on your workflow, they totally and utterly recreate it and force you to completely change your workflow. Before ever using a CRM system I was creatively using an excel spreadsheet that I modified as I saw fit according to my emerging sales workflow. This spreadsheet, though eventually not powerful enough, was designed to support the workflow that naturally evolved in order to best turn prospects into customers. Even at its max capacity it felt like i was only missing a few pieces of functionality to make this a usable solution.

Enter the modern CRM system. In my previous post about the complexity of knowing where to put data as well as where to retrieve data, I spoke about how the “trust” of the system was impacted negatively. The same factors that go into not trusting a system play into heavily impacting your workflow by dramatically increasing the time it takes to get data in and out of a system. Just the time spent over deciding where to place your data within the system is enough to help forget exactly what data you wanted to store.

Beyond the “trust issue” and where to store your data there are the logistics of actually putting your data into the system. Web based CRM’s such as SugarCRM, Salesforce, and Vtiger (lets get the opensource crowd just for good measure) take entirely too many clicks to input data. It takes a few clicks to get from an “opportunity” to important notes or “cases” (tech support issues) stored in the “account”, much less to get to an activity that is within that same “opportunity”. More time is lost on logistics and less time is spent taking good notes. If you just got two important phone calls back to back, and had to log two notes in separate opportunities or accounts, the problem becomes significantly compounded and the quality of your data suffers.

Now, some of these applications are starting to take steps towards a “desktop type” of feel. Ajax and the whole Web2.0 scene could really have an impact on the user experience here, but it’s a long way off. Not only is the experience going to have to require less clicks, but the layout of these applications is going to have to reflect the workflow of each sales person or sales unit in a much more efficient manner. When I’m making a call, I want to see that persons phone number at a glance and I need to be able to get to other data about that person with the click of a mouse.

My job is to be nimble on the phone, to adapt to each potential client and effectively side step every potential objection they come up with. I want my sales process back, and I don’t want to feel like I’m looking at raw mysql tables to get it.

(I am rounding up my list of workflow tips and suggested improvements, but first I had to get all this venting out)

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CRM Violates the 3 main tenants of GTD: Part 1

1) Always fully trusting your system

First, it’s an issue of trust. A good GTD system is one that you always know where a piece of data should go. That’s why tagging has been such a big hit for me, if I don’t already have a specific category, I can just add one (though I try to do so sparingly). The flip side of knowing where to put things is being able to find your data. If you know where to put it consistently, then you will consistently be able to retrieve your data.

This is something that is always overlooked in the design phase of any data tracking system. Its not a matter of having a place to store every little piece of data, its about having a place that makes you confident, after investing the time and energy to enter the data, that you will be able to retrieve it later when that data is needed.

I will repeat: Without being completely confident that you will be able to retrieve the data the next time you need it, you will always be reluctant to invest the time needed to take the high quality notes most valuable in a CRM system!

CRM systems (the majority of my experience has been with SugarCRM and Salesforce violate this rule to the utmost extreme, though they do it in a more abstract and complex way. Yes, there is a specific spot for an individuals contact information. Yes, there is a specific spot for you to store information about a company or Account. In fact, there are an unnecessarily large amount of specific data fields to store fairly unnecessary pieces of specific data.

The problem lies with the less clearly defined pieces of information you want to keep track of in the daily process of being a sales person. This data tends to be specific to each company, product, and sometimes down to the specific salesperson. There are notes those that you want to keep about your prospective clients, there are different notes that you want to keep about your existing clients, and there are all kinds of meta-data you want to keep that’s not specific to either, but are definitely relevant to you moving people through the sales process and CLOSING DEALS.

This information, in both SugarCRM and Salesforce, can be stored in a variety of locations. To keep things simple, lets just start with the obvious big three; contacts, accounts, opportunities. Each time I’ve identified a piece of information I have to track, I then need to figure out which of these locations to use. Not much guidance is provided by the companies who provide these applications, and most sales managers don’t understand the intricacies and importance of creating a workflow that will be used consistently throughout the group (especially if there’s to be any collaboration).

In many occasions I’ve found myself on the phone with a client, rapidly gathering high quality information, only to be thwarted by these CRM systems. I have to decide what section to put the notes in, which in itself takes entirely too many clicks of a mouse, then only to know in the back of my mind, that I am never going to find this information ever again.

Which leads us to the next part; retrieving data from the system. The easiest example is to look at how these CRM systems track “activities” for an account, contact, or opportunity. Each activity is its own entry that can be a task, a call, an email, a fax, a meeting, etc, etc. I still never know which one is which when it comes to inputting the data, but the worst part is finding your activity after the fact. What you end up with is a long list of all these activities, with no easy way to filter them or to get to all the contents of the activity. Even after creating a variety of custom views/reports I was not able to see my data in the way I wanted to, and this is under no time constraints or stress. Now add a screaming customer on the end of the line, and try to find data on the spot. It’s a mess.

After 3 or 4 months of using Salesforce.com I’ve finally started to come up with a few best practices that work well for my exact situation, but the process has been slow and very much by trial and error. I am still reluctant to spend too much time inputting data, because I am not convinced that I will ever see that data again, at all, much less when I need it most.

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